Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4

[Jeffrey99]

Originally Posted by WhyYou

Reading about cars and driving cars are two completely different things. You are reading someone else's opinion about how a car operates without having any knowledge or experience in the field. Hands on experience could possibly change your mind about some cars. If nothing else it would give you some knowledge base from which to make your opinions have more meaning. You talk like you absolutely know exactly what you're talking about but you have nothing to back up your words.

Yeah but you could say that about anything: What it feels like to be on the moon, How good this celebrity is in bed, What's it's like at the Playboy mansion, What it's like to play NFL football, etc. Does reviews to anything have any bearing on whether you pay for that movie/site/etc?

Not everyone has millions of dollars to experience all those things. Some of us barley have money each month to pay our bills, not go test drive (or even be allowed to) some multi million dollar car. Some of us have to educate ourselves by reading respectable magazine and taking their word for it.

So are those of use that don't have the means to experience things first hand not allowed to have a opinion or comment on things?

As for which is actually right on the car? Don't know and frankly don't care. I'm not a car guy, to me it's nothing more then to get from point A to point B. Speed limits 55, so it doesn't matter if it'll do 200. Now show me a million dollar home with some fancy **** in it and I'll be impressed.

[ugo]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey99

Yeah but you could say that about anything: What it feels like to be on the moon, How good this celebrity is in bed, What's it's like at the Playboy mansion, What it's like to play NFL football, etc. Does reviews to anything have any bearing on whether you pay for that movie/site/etc?

Not everyone has millions of dollars to experience all those things. Some of us barley have money each month to pay our bills, not go test drive (or even be allowed to) some multi million dollar car. Some of us have to educate ourselves by reading respectable magazine and taking their word for it.

So are those of use that don't have the means to experience things first hand not allowed to have a opinion or comment on things?

As for which is actually right on the car? Don't know and frankly don't care. I'm not a car guy, to me it's nothing more then to get from point A to point B. Speed limits 55, so it doesn't matter if it'll do 200. Now show me a million dollar home with some fancy **** in it and I'll be impressed.

Clearly to read is to learn of as is made so many things. And they are made opinions and debates. And not all say the same thing. And confusion is created. And I think that it is better to go nearby to see from, and to make to explain you from those that have already used. It needs to always be careful to those however that thinks that everything perfect.

[WhyYou]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey99

Yeah but you could say that about anything: What it feels like to be on the moon, How good this celebrity is in bed, What's it's like at the Playboy mansion, What it's like to play NFL football, etc. Does reviews to anything have any bearing on whether you pay for that movie/site/etc?

Not everyone has millions of dollars to experience all those things. Some of us barley have money each month to pay our bills, not go test drive (or even be allowed to) some multi million dollar car. Some of us have to educate ourselves by reading respectable magazine and taking their word for it.

So are those of use that don't have the means to experience things first hand not allowed to have a opinion or comment on things?

As for which is actually right on the car? Don't know and frankly don't care. I'm not a car guy, to me it's nothing more then to get from point A to point B. Speed limits 55, so it doesn't matter if it'll do 200. Now show me a million dollar home with some fancy **** in it and I'll be impressed.

Jeffrey...the issue is not whether he can have his own opinion...it's how he presents his opinions. He doesn't say...I don't like that car...or...I have read that that car doesn't do well on corners...or...I think that that car isn't worth the money. Instead he says...that car sucks, anybody that drives that car is an idiot...or...automatic transmissions are for losers...or...dual gerbox transmission are just like automatics and automatics suck...or...don't buy that car, I know it's not worth the money. He states his opinion from a first hand viewpoint rather than from an observers viewpoint.

[mart]

WhyYou's right, Max has been slagging off most sports cars and i'd just like to know. If he talks from experience or from what he's read about the said car. Maybe i should drop my curiousity about about his opinions. I don't want this to turn into an arguement and i'll take his opinions with a pinch of salt.

[ugo]

Max has criticized of what I have said to buy the Bugatti. But I respect his opinion. But it has to learn to respect the others. I have many colleagues of my job that humiliate me really with that attitude.

[Jeffrey99]

Originally Posted by WhyYou

Jeffrey...the issue is not whether he can have his own opinion...it's how he presents his opinions. He doesn't say...I don't like that car...or...I have read that that car doesn't do well on corners...or...I think that that car isn't worth the money. Instead he says...that car sucks, anybody that drives that car is an idiot...or...automatic transmissions are for losers...or...dual gerbox transmission are just like automatics and automatics suck...or...don't buy that car, I know it's not worth the money. He states his opinion from a first hand viewpoint rather than from an observers viewpoint.

I can understand that to a point. But most people I know, whether talking politics or cars or sports, don't preference what they say with "I read" or "So and So said".

I mean, I've never been to the moon but if we are talking about it I'm not gonna preference my opinions with those statements.

I don't know Max at all and I don't know who's opinions are right. However if his opinions are so wrong, why not provide documentation stating otherwise. I mean, in all honesty, who should the people that can't drive that car believe, some people on a forum or people from a respectable car magazine? I'd be more inclined to believe a car magazine.

[ugo]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey99

I can understand that to a point. But most people I know, whether talking politics or cars or sports, don't preference what they say with "I read" or "So and So said".

I mean, I've never been to the moon but if we are talking about it I'm not gonna preference my opinions with those statements.

I don't know Max at all and I don't know who's opinions are right. However if his opinions are so wrong, why not provide documentation stating otherwise. I mean, in all honesty, who should the people that can't drive that car believe, some people on a forum or people from a respectable car magazine? I'd be more inclined to believe a car magazine.

That of Max is one opinion of his. As yours.
It speaks of the car. Generally who is good to understand things of motors it is a lot of rights. But not able "to command" on others if one wants the Bugatti (Ferrari, BMW, Lamborghini, etc).
I believe to have said my opinion. And in tuning of WhyYou and Mart. But no polemic to Max.

[Max]

I want to say that I respect everyone's opinion, I just have bad social skills, and this is one of the reasons that I also fear women so much, and if ever do I communicate with them. I'm sorry if everyone took this wrong, but I would prefer a McLaren F1 primarily becuase it seemed to be a better car in my opinion for a wide variety of reasons.

[laranger]

Originally Posted by Max

I want to say that I respect everyone's opinion, I just have bad social skills, and this is one of the reasons that I also fear women so much, and if ever do I communicate with them. I'm sorry if everyone took this wrong, but I would prefer a McLaren F1 primarily becuase it seemed to be a better car in my opinion for a wide variety of reasons.

Glad ya respect others opinions, but you should answer direct questions to you when they are asked, that way people don't have to go back to try and see what you are talking about.

[ugo]

Originally Posted by Max

I want to say that I respect everyone's opinion, I just have bad social skills, and this is one of the reasons that I also fear women so much, and if ever do I communicate with them. I'm sorry if everyone took this wrong, but I would prefer a McLaren F1 primarily becuase it seemed to be a better car in my opinion for a wide variety of reasons.

Hi Max,
I understand that each of us has difficulty to talk to the women. We believe to always have from our part to speak, to reason, to command. And we don't often succeed in understanding of what the women want and they pretend from us men of whatever age.
But for me, the easiest thing is to listen to their service of the women. You becomes more good men, sweets and honest toward the woman to always be respected.
The man is strong. And not wants to understand the woman.
Max, can say what you want on what you think of the cars. Also I can mistake my opinions. But we have to learn to answer to those that say the others. As for the note what they also say the women.
Generally speaking.

[mart]

Originally Posted by Max

I want to say that I respect everyone's opinion, I just have bad social skills, and this is one of the reasons that I also fear women so much, and if ever do I communicate with them. I'm sorry if everyone took this wrong, but I would prefer a McLaren F1 primarily becuase it seemed to be a better car in my opinion for a wide variety of reasons.

Max these are the important words lacking in your previous posts. It would be nice to know if it's your opinion or general. When i'm talking about something or someone i make it clear if it's my opinion or from what i've read.

[Max]

I was just trying to understand why everyone thinks that this is the "end all car" and that there is no car out there better than this. Different cars have different purposes, and I like the McLaren F1 more, because it weighs half as much, and has a fully manual gear box as well as a sleek aerodynamic design. It weighs half as much, and this is why I am saying that it is a better car.