A Shame... Lia lost the AVN award

FTVGirls_Rob · 01-18-2009, 07:14 PM

Bree Olson wins the AVN 'best web starlet of 2008'. But we shouldn't be sad about it -- Lia is having fun at the AVN nonetheless, and we have to be realistic. Bree does ganbangs and every other form of boy/girl/interracial etc... Lia doesn't even have b/g on her site. So she wouldn't have a chance of winning something AVN related -- which is all about boy/girl. Same goes for FTV of course.

ugo · 01-18-2009, 07:19 PM

I believe that FTV has won the same. I don't understand because they have to prevail only the videos B/G. Lia and Alison are also the true examples of the complete nude without B/G. To me it is all right so, and they have won the same AVN !!!!!!!!!

mart · 01-18-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FTVGirls_Rob

Bree Olson wins the AVN 'best web starlet of 2008'. But we shouldn't be sad about it -- Lia is having fun at the AVN nonetheless, and we have to be realistic. Bree does ganbangs and every other form of boy/girl/interracial etc... Lia doesn't even have b/g on her site. So she wouldn't have a chance of winning something AVN related -- which is all about boy/girl. Same goes for FTV of course.

I've just been on the AVN site and i thought Catalina Cruz won it. Maybe i was looking at the wrong catagory lol. Well we all know Lia's a winner with us anyway. As long as she's having fun at the AVN. Then all is not lost.

CK1 · 01-18-2009, 07:34 PM

the fact that she is recognized by a group that is all about the type of material that she does not shoot speaks volumes for the quality of her work.

Natal · 01-18-2009, 07:53 PM

Bree won best new internet starlet, not best internet starlet, that was Catalina (unless I'm not reading their list properly). Which is kind of odd, because last year she won best new starlet. I wonder what "best new" she will win next next year?

In her case it seems more like a publicity excercise.

In any case those awards are pretty bogus - I had a look at the sites that were nominated in that category, and there was one that didnt even exist (something that Lisa Sparxx was miffed about, since she didnt get a nomination even though her site is rated above quite a few of those who did). Overall there were quite a few there that featured tired old barbie dolls and one that had aggressive pop ups when you opened their front page. So, if Lia did or didn't win anything there doesnt matter. What is important is that she is having fun, that her site is doing well and that her fans love her.

captnjack · 01-18-2009, 08:03 PM

Lia and FTV are number one on my list. The AVN awards seem to be a good ole boys club and it's who you know not merit that wins awards. Glad Lia is having fun being there though.

danielle_ftv · 01-18-2009, 08:21 PM

I think it's complete BS and Lia should've won that award.

tigger · 01-19-2009, 12:13 AM

Rob your work is #1 in my book.

mart · 01-19-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by danielle_ftv

I think it's complete BS and Lia should've won that award.

I really couldn't agree more.

geolarson2 · 01-19-2009, 08:47 PM

I loathe AVN, did so before Ms L's "loss" (Her loss? Their loss!). They, it seems, are more interested in how big the profit margin is, and tend to be a bit cliquey, favouring the older, larger studios over folks like Rob & FTV, Lia19, Danielle FTV and so on. Their loss is our gain, though--just like Indy cinema keeps the larger Hollywood studios on their toes, Rob and the folks like him, men and women, who push the boundaries to create something more than just the same-old-same-old pastiche make those studios that just grow fat & lazy on their long-past glory days have to work that much harder to keep going ...at least they would, were it not for AVN's club.

ask · 01-20-2009, 09:57 AM

Rob u and ur sites are the great as always !

ugo · 01-20-2009, 01:35 PM

Rob,
Was it also in contest Alison in AVN award (even if was ended)?

T-bone Thomas · 01-20-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ugo

Rob,
Was it also in contest Alison in AVN award (even if was ended)?

Yes, Alison was also nominated as best web starlet of the year.

ugo · 01-20-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by T-bone Thomas

Yes, Alison was also nominated as best web starlet of the year.

Thanks for answer to me, Friend. I knew that there was also Alison. And deserved to win!!!!!!!
They've preferred the true porno that instead the soft of good sex neat erotic female!!!!!!

Natal · 01-20-2009, 09:39 PM

You can see pictures of said event here http://www.lastnightsparty.com/outra.../IMG_9240.html. They appear to have been taken mostly at the awards ceremony. Holy crap! There are some pretty scary looking women there!

Quite a few of them seem to have attended the Tammy Faye Bakker school of makeup application as well!

Our very own Layrsa and Faye seem to have been a hit with whoever was taking the photographs, they appear in a lot of them.

FTVLia19 · 01-20-2009, 10:52 PM

Thx guys! I was totally heart broken. I got up and walked out and then started crying followed by a few choice remarks lol. But all better now. Rob is right the main issue was I was a solo girl site without any b/g. So i guess no big deal I would rather have all of you then some stupid award anyways

captnjack · 01-21-2009, 08:41 AM

Given avn’s track record for bias toward b/g sites I think it’s quite an accomplishment to have been nominated. I had never heard of the other girl’s site before the award and I’m still not sure who she is. And don’t forget the interview with Playboy TV I don’t see anything about this other girl doing an interview with them. We know that you deserved the award and I suspect that AVN is having difficult reconciling your popularity without them recognizing you with an award!

Anoree · 01-21-2009, 01:16 PM

I hate to admit it, but this outcome was predictable, from what I read in the nomination thread.

Lia should have won the award in my eyes, too, but they gave it away to someone more "mainstream", I guess. I don't know that girl, nor have I a desire to look at her website. I rather stick with Lia and Danielle.

Lia's site, as well as Danielle's and Rob's, has an uniqueness that can't be copied easily and might frighten others in the adult buisiness.

I hope Lia wasn't as crestfallen as she wrote here, and had at least some fun anyway.

mart · 01-21-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FTVLia19

Thx guys! I was totally heart broken. I got up and walked out and then started crying followed by a few choice remarks lol. But all better now. Rob is right the main issue was I was a solo girl site without any b/g. So i guess no big deal I would rather have all of you then some stupid award anyways

That's why we all love you Lia!. Your more down to earth than some of these other webgirls.

Natal · 01-24-2009, 08:41 PM

Based on web traffic (as per Alexa) Kelly Madison's site generated the most activity of the last year and half, allthough it shows a steady decline over that period. Catalina Cruz is steady over that period and is about the same as Kelly's activity atm. Alison was up there with Catalina mostly, but her numbers have started to fall off over the last 6 months as well, probably because of her retirement. Lia's numbers are a bit lower than those girls, and also in steady decline. As far as I could tell, those were pretty much the only girls in contention when it comes to popularity of their sites. In a few months Catalina is probably going to hold the high ground in terms of numbers, and that is likely the reason she won.

I also had a look at the numbers of some of the other girls who have been on FTV who have websites of one form or another. Most of those barely register and you would have to think that they wouldn't be able to earn a living from those ventures. One that surprised me was Jana, I expected her site to be a bit more popular but it isn't really. Granted, it is fairly new and she has had two other single girl sites before, but I would have thought that someone with her energy would have generated more interest. Another surprise is Sandy Summers, her numbers are way up there, comparable to Alisons at the moment, and she has been reasonably consistent over the last year or so. It looks like things are going well for her.

Oh, and as far as Bree is concerned, I checked her website as well. It has been up for about a year, started out at around Catalina/Alison levels, and has been in consistent decline since. She is in the process of falling off the table, so I doubt she is going to be winning next years award either. In the new web starlet category (why isnt Sandy in this list?) the only others that had high traffic were Candy Monroe (hardcore crude stuff from the looks of her front page, poorly designed webspace too) and Selina18 (apparently very popular site, but she looks like a little girl, not a woman).

Geezer · 01-24-2009, 11:20 PM

Hey Natal,

That was very interesting but how/where did you arrive at those numbers? Is there a web site that publishes them?

And, that brings another question to my mind... Rob, are you able to tell exactly which FTV members viewed/downloaded each individual update? Are you provided statistics on who uses your sites and how often they are accessed?

This question should be posted in the FTV forum so that Rob will be more likely to answer it (Posted by Moderator)

MrSnook · 01-24-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FTVLia19

Thx guys! I was totally heart broken. I got up and walked out and then started crying followed by a few choice remarks lol. But all better now. Rob is right the main issue was I was a solo girl site without any b/g. So i guess no big deal I would rather have all of you then some stupid award anyways

Cary Grant, Peter O'Toole, Barbara Stanwyck, Glenn Close, Greta Garbo, Richard Burton, Johnny Depp, Peter Sellers, Alfred Hitccock-All time greats who never won an Oscar. The Beatles never won a Grammy while they were together.

True greatness is rarely recognized in it's time.

Natal · 01-25-2009, 05:27 AM

There is a web intelligence company called alexa.com, which gathers information using a toolbar (they claim to have millions out in cyberspace) installed on users computers. If you go to their site you can enter any address and get an idea of how much traffic that site gets. It isnt accurate in the sense that it doesnt capture traffic on computers without their toolbar (so there may be skewing between topics), but it does give you an order of magnitude estimate of how popular a site is.

captnjack · 01-25-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

There is a web intelligence company called alexa.com, which gathers information using a toolbar (they claim to have millions out in cyberspace) installed on users computers. If you go to their site you can enter any address and get an idea of how much traffic that site gets. It isnt accurate in the sense that it doesnt capture traffic on computers without their toolbar (so there may be skewing between topics), but it does give you an order of magnitude estimate of how popular a site is.

I will have to disagree with your conclusion that this company’s results represent a site’s popularity. In order for a sample to represent the trend of its population the sample has to be randomly drawn. To say that there may be some skewing of the result is an understatement it is a given since this company’s data is bias (limited) to only users with this special toolbar. To extrapolate any trend this company has gathered onto the population as whole is statistically unsound. I will also speculate that all you are going to get from this site is some affiliates’ tracking cookie.

the Dutch mountains · 01-25-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FTVGirls_Rob

...So she wouldn't have a chance of winning something AVN related -- which is all about boy/girl. Same goes for FTV of course.

I think this is the main "problem". Most of the AVN public are people that are interested in adult movies for one thing: lust. Beauty, love, gentleness come much lower. FTV and it's daughters are more aimed at the beauty-apect, which generally have a smaller fanbase. And because of that you'll always end up with less votes... which is a shame really.

Natal · 01-25-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by captnjack

I will have to disagree with your conclusion that this company’s results represent a site’s popularity. In order for a sample to represent the trend of its population the sample has to be randomly drawn. To say that there may be some skewing of the result is an understatement it is a given since this company’s data is bias (limited) to only users with this special toolbar. To extrapolate any trend this company has gathered onto the population as whole is statistically unsound. I will also speculate that all you are going to get from this site is some affiliates’ tracking cookie.

Ya, I realize that, which is why I said it is skewed, especially when it comes to topics. Within a topic however (in this case porn sites in general), you could expect people with the toolbar installed to visit a variety of sites in that genre and it would reflect what they are doing over time. It wont give you absolute numbers (like actual subscriptions or anything like that) but it will give you an order of magnitude of general interest and how that is evolving over time.

shink1m · 01-26-2009, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FTVLia19

Thx guys! I was totally heart broken. I got up and walked out and then started crying followed by a few choice remarks lol. But all better now. Rob is right the main issue was I was a solo girl site without any b/g. So i guess no big deal I would rather have all of you then some stupid award anyways

Awwwwww~ you'll always be a winner with all of us! Here's your trophy

^_^

T-bone Thomas · 01-27-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shink1m

Awwwwww~ you'll always be a winner with all of us! Here's your trophy

^_^

Wow, what a beautiful award cup. If I would win one like that I would play with it the whole time, lol. Nice photoshop shink1m!

captnjack · 01-27-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shink1m

Awwwwww~ you'll always be a winner with all of us! Here's your trophy

^_^

Great photoshop shink1m!!!!

FTVLia19 · 01-27-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

Based on web traffic (as per Alexa) Kelly Madison's site generated the most activity of the last year and half, allthough it shows a steady decline over that period. Catalina Cruz is steady over that period and is about the same as Kelly's activity atm. Alison was up there with Catalina mostly, but her numbers have started to fall off over the last 6 months as well, probably because of her retirement. Lia's numbers are a bit lower than those girls, and also in steady decline. As far as I could tell, those were pretty much the only girls in contention when it comes to popularity of their sites. In a few months Catalina is probably going to hold the high ground in terms of numbers, and that is likely the reason she won.

I also had a look at the numbers of some of the other girls who have been on FTV who have websites of one form or another. Most of those barely register and you would have to think that they wouldn't be able to earn a living from those ventures. One that surprised me was Jana, I expected her site to be a bit more popular but it isn't really. Granted, it is fairly new and she has had two other single girl sites before, but I would have thought that someone with her energy would have generated more interest. Another surprise is Sandy Summers, her numbers are way up there, comparable to Alisons at the moment, and she has been reasonably consistent over the last year or so. It looks like things are going well for her.

Oh, and as far as Bree is concerned, I checked her website as well. It has been up for about a year, started out at around Catalina/Alison levels, and has been in consistent decline since. She is in the process of falling off the table, so I doubt she is going to be winning next years award either. In the new web starlet category (why isnt Sandy in this list?) the only others that had high traffic were Candy Monroe (hardcore crude stuff from the looks of her front page, poorly designed webspace too) and Selina18 (apparently very popular site, but she looks like a little girl, not a woman).

Yeah, but it was web starlett of the year not website of the year and being an FTVGirl solo site and a fleshlight contract star I would of thought that make my web popularity pretty big since both are such power house and some of those girls i have never even heard of

FTVLia19 · 01-27-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shink1m

Awwwwww~ you'll always be a winner with all of us! Here's your trophy

^_^

Love it you always do such a good job

Natal · 01-28-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FTVLia19

Yeah, but it was web starlett of the year not website of the year and being an FTVGirl solo site and a fleshlight contract star I would of thought that make my web popularity pretty big since both are such power house and some of those girls i have never even heard of

Heh...I'm a scientist so I allways try to analyse things too much

. I think for the single girl sites they probably look at the site and the girl as one. IMO you and Alison were the hottest girls there by far, plus I think the graphic design elements of your sites are way better than the competition. But, you two don't have hard core content, which I guess is AVNs main focus, plus hardcore sites likely get more traffic than softcore sites in general. Alison wasn't going to win since she is gone. I don't know if they gave the rankings at the awards or not but I would have thought that you would have been way up there.

Anyway, you are still the winner to us!

01-18-2009, 07:19 PM	#2
ugo Danielle's Future Ex-Husband Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,556	I believe that FTV has won the same. I don't understand because they have to prevail only the videos B/G. Lia and Alison are also the true examples of the complete nude without B/G. To me it is all right so, and they have won the same AVN !!!!!!!!! __________________ Hope,Love,sex : Loving a Girl.

01-18-2009, 07:53 PM	#5
Natal Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 667	Bree won best new internet starlet, not best internet starlet, that was Catalina (unless I'm not reading their list properly). Which is kind of odd, because last year she won best new starlet. I wonder what "best new" she will win next next year? In her case it seems more like a publicity excercise. In any case those awards are pretty bogus - I had a look at the sites that were nominated in that category, and there was one that didnt even exist (something that Lisa Sparxx was miffed about, since she didnt get a nomination even though her site is rated above quite a few of those who did). Overall there were quite a few there that featured tired old barbie dolls and one that had aggressive pop ups when you opened their front page. So, if Lia did or didn't win anything there doesnt matter. What is important is that she is having fun, that her site is doing well and that her fans love her. Last edited by Natal; 01-18-2009 at 08:00 PM.

01-18-2009, 08:03 PM	#6
captnjack Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 818	Lia and FTV are number one on my list. The AVN awards seem to be a good ole boys club and it's who you know not merit that wins awards. Glad Lia is having fun being there though. __________________ But in your dreams whatever they may be Dream a little dream of me

01-18-2009, 08:21 PM	#7
danielle_ftv Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 3,321	I think it's complete BS and Lia should've won that award. __________________ XOXO Danielle FTV

01-19-2009, 12:13 AM	#8
tigger Danielle's Future Ex-Husband Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: out yonder way! Posts: 1,093	Rob your work is #1 in my book. __________________ IF YOU SEE ME RUNNING YOU BETTER BE RIGHT BEHIND ME!!!!

01-18-2009, 07:14 PM	#1
FTVGirls_Rob Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,209	A Shame... Lia lost the AVN award Bree Olson wins the AVN 'best web starlet of 2008'. But we shouldn't be sad about it -- Lia is having fun at the AVN nonetheless, and we have to be realistic. Bree does ganbangs and every other form of boy/girl/interracial etc... Lia doesn't even have b/g on her site. So she wouldn't have a chance of winning something AVN related -- which is all about boy/girl. Same goes for FTV of course. __________________ http://www.ftvgirls.com

01-18-2009, 07:34 PM	#4
CK1 Danielle's Biggest Fan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near Orlando, Fl Posts: 468	the fact that she is recognized by a group that is all about the type of material that she does not shoot speaks volumes for the quality of her work.

01-19-2009, 08:47 PM	#10
geolarson2 Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 512	I loathe AVN, did so before Ms L's "loss" (Her loss? Their loss!). They, it seems, are more interested in how big the profit margin is, and tend to be a bit cliquey, favouring the older, larger studios over folks like Rob & FTV, Lia19, Danielle FTV and so on. Their loss is our gain, though--just like Indy cinema keeps the larger Hollywood studios on their toes, Rob and the folks like him, men and women, who push the boundaries to create something more than just the same-old-same-old pastiche make those studios that just grow fat & lazy on their long-past glory days have to work that much harder to keep going ...at least they would, were it not for AVN's club.

01-20-2009, 09:57 AM	#11
ask In Love with Danielle Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 177	Rob u and ur sites are the great as always !

01-20-2009, 01:35 PM	#12
ugo Danielle's Future Ex-Husband Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,556	Rob, Was it also in contest Alison in AVN award (even if was ended)? __________________ Hope,Love,sex : Loving a Girl.

01-20-2009, 09:39 PM	#15
Natal Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 667	You can see pictures of said event here http://www.lastnightsparty.com/outra.../IMG_9240.html. They appear to have been taken mostly at the awards ceremony. Holy crap! There are some pretty scary looking women there! Quite a few of them seem to have attended the Tammy Faye Bakker school of makeup application as well! Our very own Layrsa and Faye seem to have been a hit with whoever was taking the photographs, they appear in a lot of them.

01-20-2009, 10:52 PM	#16
FTVLia19 In Love with Danielle Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 141	Thx guys! I was totally heart broken. I got up and walked out and then started crying followed by a few choice remarks lol. But all better now. Rob is right the main issue was I was a solo girl site without any b/g. So i guess no big deal I would rather have all of you then some stupid award anyways __________________ *www.Lia19.com ~ www.myspace.com/netlia~www.twitter.com/netlia*

01-21-2009, 08:41 AM	#17
captnjack Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 818	Given avn’s track record for bias toward b/g sites I think it’s quite an accomplishment to have been nominated. I had never heard of the other girl’s site before the award and I’m still not sure who she is. And don’t forget the interview with Playboy TV I don’t see anything about this other girl doing an interview with them. We know that you deserved the award and I suspect that AVN is having difficult reconciling your popularity without them recognizing you with an award! __________________ But in your dreams whatever they may be Dream a little dream of me

01-21-2009, 01:16 PM	#18
Anoree Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,015	I hate to admit it, but this outcome was predictable, from what I read in the nomination thread. Lia should have won the award in my eyes, too, but they gave it away to someone more "mainstream", I guess. I don't know that girl, nor have I a desire to look at her website. I rather stick with Lia and Danielle. Lia's site, as well as Danielle's and Rob's, has an uniqueness that can't be copied easily and might frighten others in the adult buisiness. I hope Lia wasn't as crestfallen as she wrote here, and had at least some fun anyway.

01-24-2009, 08:41 PM	#20
Natal Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 667	Based on web traffic (as per Alexa) Kelly Madison's site generated the most activity of the last year and half, allthough it shows a steady decline over that period. Catalina Cruz is steady over that period and is about the same as Kelly's activity atm. Alison was up there with Catalina mostly, but her numbers have started to fall off over the last 6 months as well, probably because of her retirement. Lia's numbers are a bit lower than those girls, and also in steady decline. As far as I could tell, those were pretty much the only girls in contention when it comes to popularity of their sites. In a few months Catalina is probably going to hold the high ground in terms of numbers, and that is likely the reason she won. I also had a look at the numbers of some of the other girls who have been on FTV who have websites of one form or another. Most of those barely register and you would have to think that they wouldn't be able to earn a living from those ventures. One that surprised me was Jana, I expected her site to be a bit more popular but it isn't really. Granted, it is fairly new and she has had two other single girl sites before, but I would have thought that someone with her energy would have generated more interest. Another surprise is Sandy Summers, her numbers are way up there, comparable to Alisons at the moment, and she has been reasonably consistent over the last year or so. It looks like things are going well for her. Oh, and as far as Bree is concerned, I checked her website as well. It has been up for about a year, started out at around Catalina/Alison levels, and has been in consistent decline since. She is in the process of falling off the table, so I doubt she is going to be winning next years award either. In the new web starlet category (why isnt Sandy in this list?) the only others that had high traffic were Candy Monroe (hardcore crude stuff from the looks of her front page, poorly designed webspace too) and Selina18 (apparently very popular site, but she looks like a little girl, not a woman). Last edited by Natal; 01-24-2009 at 10:41 PM.

01-24-2009, 11:20 PM	#21
Geezer Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 895	Hey Natal, That was very interesting but how/where did you arrive at those numbers? Is there a web site that publishes them? And, that brings another question to my mind... Rob, are you able to tell exactly which FTV members viewed/downloaded each individual update? Are you provided statistics on who uses your sites and how often they are accessed? This question should be posted in the FTV forum so that Rob will be more likely to answer it (Posted by Moderator) Last edited by Geezer; 01-24-2009 at 11:22 PM.

01-25-2009, 05:27 AM	#23
Natal Danielle's Imaginary Boyfriend Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 667	There is a web intelligence company called alexa.com, which gathers information using a toolbar (they claim to have millions out in cyberspace) installed on users computers. If you go to their site you can enter any address and get an idea of how much traffic that site gets. It isnt accurate in the sense that it doesnt capture traffic on computers without their toolbar (so there may be skewing between topics), but it does give you an order of magnitude estimate of how popular a site is.