BDSM Shoot Poll

[danielle_ftv]

I will be shooting my first ever BDSM shoot which will only be on this site on Saturday, August 27th. I would like your input on what you would like to see happen in the shoot. Give me details

[Enigma]

how much of a n00b do I feel right now, I have no idea what most of them things are

[Geezer]

I'm a big fan of Kink's "wiredpussy" and "hogtied" sites. I would love to see you all tied up with someone teasing you with electrical toys.

[STAR]

Details? Start by firing the incompetent pretender that caused the vaginal rope burns, rash, abrasions, bruises, etc. Find a real Master/Dom for this production. It could lead to fulfilling your desire to appear on kink.com. Or not.

There are also good FemDoms that know what they are doing. I only know of one in Tucson out of the dozen or so pretenders.

http://mistressveronicaclark.weebly.com/

There must be at least one in Phoenix. Do a search.

I knew Robert Dante, expert Single Tail whip artist. Could fracture a rib or touch as light as a feather and still make the whip crack like a gunshot. I lost track of him, do a search if you want to try that it is quite a feature just be sure he/she is qualified & reputable. It is dangerous, rare and nothing like it.

I am with Geezer on the electro stuff like the Violet Wand. Especially with the 5" bulb it's visually most striking, and/or the Folsom Electric vaginal shield & electro plug, vaginal and/or anal with signal generator. I've used both and in combination.

No speculum, giant dildoes/butt plugs, nor bloodletting, scarring, branding, please. I attended a woman having her breasts nailed to a bench. I have witnessed much worse. Please don't go extreme.

Your Wartenberg Pinwheel could be put to use. It is a nice combination with a blindfold and surprisingly intense and interesting when used with a Violet Wand. Unfortunately the special blindfold I got for you is still here. I'm sure you have one, be careful of pressure on your eyes.

Outfits, lingerie, leatherwear contribute to visual effect, such as your custom collar, cuffs,... Spreader bar, X-bar perhaps. If you are planning on suspension I would loan you my fur-lined wrist & ankle cuffs. They are more than sturdy enough to hold you safely & securely.

Ball and bit gags are so common, I have a custom made penis gag with a 2" penis on heart-shaped leather if interested.

Tiger Balm? INteresting effects applied to upper lip, nipples, clitoris, anus.

Not into weights clamped to the labia or anywhere. Not into hoods, water torture, or wax.

A decent Master/Dom will run a scene that is creative, interesting, dramatic, visually satisfying, and - safe. I would appreciate screams even if slightly exagerated without being melodramatic. Cry real tears.

Sex. Yes. Absolutely. The way you really like it. Female and male. Multiple orgasms.

I want you to show your brat side.

Fire play if with someone proven to be well experienced. www.flamchen.com

A successful scene is like a piece of music. It has a beginning, a middle, and an ending. Together it all makes sense. It tells a story. It builds, accelrates to a crescendo, and settles to a close. You, as the creative actress/artist/writer, along with other participants are characters in the play. Incorporate the comforting aspect of the finish. Not the simple "Gee I had a good time" drivel shown on sites like Sex and Submission. Display what you have read in the literature that is a proper ending sequence. You are nothing less than a class act in everything you do. Remember who you are. You know what I am talking about.

Make me believe. Win me. Be the brat Sub. Pull it out of your depths. Convince me you are worthy of my attention.

[STAR]

Danielle check this music. I'm serious. Really. Check it out for your BDSM piece... I'm sure Michael would license to you. http://www.enspheremusic.net/index.php/music/ I played with them for a Flam Chen All Souls show in Tucson. This is parts of it. Not the part I played in, but a good example. http://flamchen.com/movies/all-souls-procession/ Becky's friend is a silk flying artist/dancer with FC. But the music.... What do you think? Need I ask?

[PurplePanties]

Originally Posted by Geezer

I'm a big fan of Kink's "wiredpussy" and "hogtied" sites. I would love to see you all tied up with someone teasing you with electrical toys.

^^^^^ what he said, also something along the line of Kink's Sex and Submission would work for me too

[e83sOHpFYv]

Not my particular "cup of tea".

e83

[STAR]

Excuse my other self got a little snarky there, D~. I was giving my vibrator an oil change and the darn thing fell on my.... Right, you don't wanna know... Unless you want to try it.

[STAR]

One day, a man came home and was greeted by his wife dressed in a very sexy nightie. "Tie me up," she purred, "and you can do anything you want."

So he tied her up and went golfing.

***

There are only two four letter words that are offensive to me -- don't and stop... unless they are used together.

[STAR]

... Geezer for --- Electro Dom

... e83 for --- Tea Master

... enigma for --- Noob Boob Nocker

... Purple Panties for --- Costume Undresser

... STAR for --- The Nasty Bits

[Enigma]

Originally Posted by STAR

... Geezer for --- Electro Dom

... e83 for --- Tea Master

... enigma for --- Noob Boob Nocker

... Purple Panties for --- Costume Undresser

... STAR for --- The Nasty Bits

lol where did that come from :P

[STAR]

I say we paint her purple, string her hair with Christmas tinsle, stick a broom handle in her butt, hang her from the ceiling fan, turn it on and lob water ballons at her.

What? ...OK then add a bubble machine if it makes you happy.

[STAR]

Originally Posted by enigma2

lol where did that come from :P

The Black Hole in the sky, man.

[STAR]

en~ I got this stuff in the mail yesterday. From China. It said to stick it on and in the morning you be detoxed. So I did. Well you know how the Chinese don't translate to English so good? heh... Now I got this smelly sticky stuff on me and every dog in the hood is tryin to hump me, even the females & neutered ones. Turns out it's a pheromone thing. My girlfriend started dragging her butt on the carpet & the last I saw of her she was chasing the mailman down the street. You want some?

[STAR]

Ah...Scroll down to the second screen...the site changes. The screen that begins in B/W. http://flamchen.com/movies/all-souls-procession/

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by STAR

en~ I got this stuff in the mail yesterday. From China. It said to stick it on and in the morning you be detoxed. So I did. Well you know how the Chinese don't translate to English so good? heh... Now I got this smelly sticky stuff on me and every dog in the hood is tryin to hump me, even the females & neutered ones. Turns out it's a pheromone thing. My girlfriend started dragging her butt on the carpet & the last I saw of her she was chasing the mailman down the street. You want some?

OMG...that's hillarious. I hope it comes off

[STAR]

Yeah Baber, thanks! It comes off great with just a little sense of humor.

[STAR]

Genius at work, you are Miss D~. Talk about a period of heightened creative productivity! This assignment is likely getting nearly your full attention. It takes what it takes & it will be great. Well wishes and help freeing you up from the more mundane aspects of daily life like providing food, other support services and hugs!

You are a fascinating soul with unique qualities. Thank you for opening the opportunity to input. "Do as thou wilt" and let it roll. This is going to be a classic milestone in your work. I can feel it. Sending you success and abundance energy. ANd so it is.

[STAR]

"You are quite disturbed... pain over pleasure...lust over love...Don't expect your intentions to lead you in good places...You wanna be "Bad" don't ya?"

[STAR]

You do know what a "Baber" is don't ya? Well a Baber is a Babe that babies Babes. Not to be confused with Baby-er, as in Babymaker, that also otherwise babies Babes. Either way that's me. Fer sure.

OK so I'm only part of the equation. But an important part!

Jus' wanted to clear that up, you know, in case it ever came up or anything.

Aww...the cartoon is too small here. It gets big enuff to see if ya click on it.

[STAR]

No worries. I got a music project cummin' up and won't be posting for a while. If ya see God before I do tell him/her I was a nice guy.

It's OK to lie in this case, you'll be forgiven.

I'm pretty sure.

Should make the Webcam tomorrow otherwise miss ya'll!

Most all.

[Texasdrake]

Guessing Danielle ment by be on the site Saturday 27th only. That the BDSM shoot will only be on for the 1 day only?

[STAR]

Tex, Tex, Tex, that it will only be on this site. Can you imagine Miss D~ going to all that work only to post it for one day? I can't. I know what you mean tho, I had to re-read her post a few times. Well, I read all her posts over & over & over & over & ...OVER again anyway no matter.

The Doctor is right; I need counselling. Again. Damn.

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by Texasdrake

Guessing Danielle ment by be on the site Saturday 27th only. That the BDSM shoot will only be on for the 1 day only?

Nope. I'm shooting it on the 27th (I think I remember Anoree suggesting that I put on the calendar when I am shooting).

[PurplePanties]

So roughly how long do we have to wait to see the final edit?

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by PurplePanties

So roughly how long do we have to wait to see the final edit?

What I am planning is shooting an hour to an hour and 15 minutes of film and then editing it down to four seperate scenes which I will put up once a month. The first scene will probably go up next month.

[Texasdrake]

Well yeah I would think it wouldn't make any sense if she done all that work just to have it posted just for one day. But the way she worded it "my first ever BDSM shoot which will only be on this site on Saturday, August 27th" made it sounded like it was a 1 day deal guessing due to it being a BDSM shoot. Yes anything she shoot would be for her site only that is also common sense.

Well anyway Thanks Danielle for clearing it up and do look forward to seeing the outcome.Planning on doing a Bondage shoot with Mai in Sept,but sorry to say due to Mai wishes it will be tame compare to what yours will be. To Quote her " I hate pain LOL,I dont mind posing with toys but i wont actual "go at it" if you know what i mean. Oh well my Dom side will have to keep dreaming.

[Melvin]

Originally Posted by danielle_ftv

I will be shooting my first ever BDSM shoot which will only be on this site on Saturday, August 27th. I would like your input on what you would like to see happen in the shoot. Give me details

Remember, you asked.
A standing spread eagle. Ankles apart with a spreader bar. Three feet would be about right. Wrists tied either singly or to a bar and pulled up and out. Then up on the tip toes. Some flogging to flush that beautiful skin. Til your butt, breasts and belly glow nice and red. Then the vibrator to take you over the top.

You asked.

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by Melvin

Remember, you asked.
A standing spread eagle. Ankles apart with a spreader bar. Three feet would be about right. Wrists tied either singly or to a bar and pulled up and out. Then up on the tip toes. Some flogging to flush that beautiful skin. Til your butt, breasts and belly glow nice and red. Then the vibrator to take you over the top.

You asked.

Yes I did. I don't know if the dungeon has a spreader bar...though I would imagine that they do since they seem to have everything.

[shortyboi]

I personally as well as others would like for you (danielle) to shoot a scene involving whips, floggers, & canes. I can't think of shoot where I have seen you do that recently. thanks.

[Enigma]

I must be really laim here, cos I just wanna see "normal" porn if you get what I mean, I'm not in to this kind of thing, don't get me wrong, I understand your not doing this for me and me only, but I just don't get any of it, I'm odd I know lol

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by shortyboi

I personally as well as others would like for you (danielle) to shoot a scene involving whips, floggers, & canes. I can't think of shoot where I have seen you do that recently. thanks.

Um...I've never shot that before (I could've sworn I've said it's going to be my first bdsm shoot ever).

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by enigma2

I must be really laim here, cos I just wanna see "normal" porn if you get what I mean, I'm not in to this kind of thing, don't get me wrong, I understand your not doing this for me and me only, but I just don't get any of it, I'm odd I know lol

I can understand that. But fortunately there is a ton of other content on the site that you can look at instead of the bdsm scenes .

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by danielle_ftv

I can understand that. But fortunately there is a ton of other content on the site that you can look at instead of the bdsm scenes .

I will be more than delighted to watch your BDSM scenes. I've been looking for a reason to rejoin your site since I discovered Kink. Where are you filming the shoot- close to home or are you, perhaps, coming to San Francisco?

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by Geezer

I will be more than delighted to watch your BDSM scenes. I've been looking for a reason to rejoin your site since I discovered Kink. Where are you filming the shoot- close to home or are you, perhaps, coming to San Francisco?

I'm shooting it at Porche Lynn's dungeon here in Phoenix.

[Anoree]

Hmm, I wonder if you'll have one or two fans waiting at the entrance of the dungeon on Saturday now.

[Enigma]

Originally Posted by danielle_ftv

I can understand that. But fortunately there is a ton of other content on the site that you can look at instead of the bdsm scenes .

I think the same way, not every thing you do it going to be to my liking, and I'm not trying to bash what yuo are doing, I guess I'll have to wait for the update and see if I understand it any better, if not I'll keep it to myself, cos like I said, I guess it's just not for me, and I'll rewatch all the other videos ha ha ha :P

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by Anoree

Hmm, I wonder if you'll have one or two fans waiting at the entrance of the dungeon on Saturday now.

Hahaha...I can't imagine how Porche Lynn would react. Probably wouldn't be too happy.

[STAR]

Originally Posted by enigma2

I must be really laim here, cos I just wanna see "normal" porn if you get what I mean, I'm not in to this kind of thing, don't get me wrong, I understand your not doing this for me and me only, but I just don't get any of it, I'm odd I know lol

IMO:

You are NOT odd or lame just because you are not into this kind of thing! Your preference, as well as that of others that may have similar feelings, suggests you are aware and well-balanced in your sexuality. I have found all your sharing, questions, and ideas that I am aware of valuable, informative and useful. I look forward to reading you more and support your contributions.

BDSM is a complex psycho-drama. Sometimes it is theater. In its pure form sex is not necessarily a feature. It flourishes in cultures having a love-hate, guilt-shame relationship with sex and often supplants sex. If non-consensual damage occurs it is no longer BDSM, rather it is abuse. Or one is dealing with a bungler. A true Master-Mistress is skilled and fully responsible so that doesn't happen.

Since it has become trendy there are many neophytes claiming to be Masters/Mistresses. In the enviro that D~ is practicing in it is safe, sane and consensual. The vaginal rope burns, non-consensual damages etc. are indications of a careless or inexperienced Dom rather than a true Master.

Be that as it may the Sub has the power. Especially a Brat Sub, which she is. The mere utterance of a safe word and everything either backs off or stops. If you want a deeper understanding go here & scroll down the right column for a 6 - series video explanation by (sexy) Dr. Joy Davidson::
http://joydavidson.com/index.php/the-joy-spot

If you do it may help you or anyone questioning to have more appreciation for what you may witness. Danielle knows what she is doing and I have every confidence she will pull this off artfully and professionally; which is not an easy task.

That being said it is my (not-so-humble, lol) opinion after over 30 years as a practitioner (Dom). I would NOT consider myself a Master of the art. I have had enough experience and exposure with BDSM to not prefer it in its pure form. To me BDSM in it's pure form is a subversion, but not a perversion. In "the life" I would be what is termed a BDSM "pretender" or "Dom" - one who sometimes practices BDSM light with sex - I was a member of a dungeon in San Fran for 16 years and saw much incompetence. I have also been very priviledged to witness true Masters and Mistresses at work.

Real BDSM is more a sophisticated play of power and surrender, pain and pleasure, than some of the violent sex and abuse being portrayed on recent porn sites. Usually on young, attractive women. Audiences have become jaded with porn going mainstream and are seeking ever-more extreme depictions of violence and drama. It is part of the entertainment coherent to a violent, sexually repressed society evident in many mainstream films. It can stimulate an adrenaline rush. If you delve deeper you can find vids of severe beatings laying open flesh. Deeper still are serious tortures, dismemberments and snuff vids.

BDSM has become a missapplied marketing buzz-word on some porn sites. Regardless of what the header may claim much of what is depicted is violence and abuse. Like the song says: "Some of them want to abuse you. Some of them want to be abused" Many go for it thinking it's the new in-thing and it can pay better than what is now considered plain vanilla porn. However intense, typically it is little more than junk sex depicting abduction, rape, hate sex, and forceful subjugation of women. To one whom loves women, as I presume you do, this might quite naturally appear horrific.

You may be wondering why people get into the kind of violence and abuse seen on most kink.com sites. Basically it's for superficial thrills. And of course $$.

When the approach is that sex is the seed, love is the flower, and compassion is the fragrance -- just sex without love and compassion is like going to McDonalds when you are hungry instead of having a gourmet meal at a 5-star restaurant. Many people in this culture lack the experience of the dynamic power and intense ecstasy of sex with love and compassion. So instead they settle for the physical/materialistic rush. Eventually even that becomes blase and they either go deeper into that or - grow into love and compassion. What IS odd, enigma, is how much people fear and avoid love in this culture, carry unnecessary guilt and shame around sex, and see love as the ultimate pain to be avoided at all cost, if not hate the very idea of love itself.



BDSM and love can be combined in even a temporary relationship and it often is. The fact of the matter is that -- "The power of submission lies not in the ability to kneel before another, to give over one's body or in the wearing of a collar. The power of submission can be found only in the heart of one who gives her love to another freely knowing what joy and pain will come from it." ~Rogeur

What is interesting is when this is pointed out, even by a true BDSM Master/Mistress as I have witnessed, some can become angry or despondent.

There are true as well as superficial players at both ends, Sub and Master. Ultimately it is a game; and a drama. Enjoy the show; Danielle is a creative artist and an honest performer. Obviously we all wish her well regardless of personal preferences. I expect this segment to be an excellent addition to her prolific work and expanding personal growth.

Eurythmics Sweet Dreams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJE_Sc1Wags


Manson's version official vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm-1...eature=related

[grande351]

Originally Posted by enigma2

I must be really laim here, cos I just wanna see "normal" porn if you get what I mean, I'm not in to this kind of thing, don't get me wrong, I understand your not doing this for me and me only, but I just don't get any of it, I'm odd I know lol

I kinda feel the same way as you do. BDSM is fine, but I'm just not that into it. It seems that, like Sci Fi, the folks who are into BDSM are really into it and know all the different types and styles. I guess I just don't want to think that much to enjoy my porn

That said, i'll be watching whatever she puts up cause no matter what the style is, it's still Danielle!!

[Anoree]

I'm not quite into BDSM either, but Danielle obviously is in her private life.
Knowing that, and assuming Danielle does that shoot as much for her own enjoyment as ours to watch, I'm more than eager to see a glimpse of how she might enjoy herself privately.
Plus, as Danielle will be in the shoot, I know that I will enjoy it.
Knowing that Danielle might be shooting it right as we write sends shivers down my spine. Good ones, that is.

[Melvin]

Originally Posted by danielle_ftv

I'm shooting it at Porche Lynn's dungeon here in Phoenix.

Is that my favorite porn star of the late 80's Porsche Lynn? How has she managed to stay below my BDSM radar!? Well, I guess I know how I'm going to spend the next couple of hours. Looking her and her dungeon up.

[Melvin]

Originally Posted by STAR

IMO:

You are NOT odd or lame just because you are not into this kind of thing! Your preference, as well as that of others that may have similar feelings, suggests you are aware and well-balanced in your sexuality. I have found all your sharing, questions, and ideas that I am aware of valuable, informative and useful. I look forward to reading you more and support your contributions.

BDSM is a complex psycho-drama. Sometimes it is theater. In its pure form sex is not necessarily a feature. It flourishes in cultures having a love-hate, guilt-shame relationship with sex and often supplants sex. If non-consensual damage occurs it is no longer BDSM, rather it is abuse. Or one is dealing with a bungler. A true Master-Mistress is skilled and fully responsible so that doesn't happen.

Since it has become trendy there are many neophytes claiming to be Masters/Mistresses. In the enviro that D~ is practicing in it is safe, sane and consensual. The vaginal rope burns, non-consensual damages etc. are indications of a careless or inexperienced Dom rather than a true Master.

Be that as it may the Sub has the power. Especially a Brat Sub, which she is. The mere utterance of a safe word and everything either backs off or stops. If you want a deeper understanding go here & scroll down the right column for a 6 - series video explanation by (sexy) Dr. Joy Davidson::
http://joydavidson.com/index.php/the-joy-spot

If you do it may help you or anyone questioning to have more appreciation for what you may witness. Danielle knows what she is doing and I have every confidence she will pull this off artfully and professionally; which is not an easy task.

That being said it is my (not-so-humble, lol) opinion after over 30 years as a practitioner (Dom). I would NOT consider myself a Master of the art. I have had enough experience and exposure with BDSM to not prefer it in its pure form. To me BDSM in it's pure form is a subversion, but not a perversion. In "the life" I would be what is termed a BDSM "pretender" or "Dom" - one who sometimes practices BDSM light with sex - I was a member of a dungeon in San Fran for 16 years and saw much incompetence. I have also been very priviledged to witness true Masters and Mistresses at work.

Real BDSM is more a sophisticated play of power and surrender, pain and pleasure, than some of the violent sex and abuse being portrayed on recent porn sites. Usually on young, attractive women. Audiences have become jaded with porn going mainstream and are seeking ever-more extreme depictions of violence and drama. It is part of the entertainment coherent to a violent, sexually repressed society evident in many mainstream films. It can stimulate an adrenaline rush. If you delve deeper you can find vids of severe beatings laying open flesh. Deeper still are serious tortures, dismemberments and snuff vids.

BDSM has become a missapplied marketing buzz-word on some porn sites. Regardless of what the header may claim much of what is depicted is violence and abuse. Like the song says: "Some of them want to abuse you. Some of them want to be abused" Many go for it thinking it's the new in-thing and it can pay better than what is now considered plain vanilla porn. However intense, typically it is little more than junk sex depicting abduction, rape, hate sex, and forceful subjugation of women. To one whom loves women, as I presume you do, this might quite naturally appear horrific.

You may be wondering why people get into the kind of violence and abuse seen on most kink.com sites. Basically it's for superficial thrills. And of course $$.

When the approach is that sex is the seed, love is the flower, and compassion is the fragrance -- just sex without love and compassion is like going to McDonalds when you are hungry instead of having a gourmet meal at a 5-star restaurant. Many people in this culture lack the experience of the dynamic power and intense ecstasy of sex with love and compassion. So instead they settle for the physical/materialistic rush. Eventually even that becomes blase and they either go deeper into that or - grow into love and compassion. What IS odd, enigma, is how much people fear and avoid love in this culture, carry unnecessary guilt and shame around sex, and see love as the ultimate pain to be avoided at all cost, if not hate the very idea of love itself.



BDSM and love can be combined in even a temporary relationship and it often is. The fact of the matter is that -- "The power of submission lies not in the ability to kneel before another, to give over one's body or in the wearing of a collar. The power of submission can be found only in the heart of one who gives her love to another freely knowing what joy and pain will come from it." ~Rogeur

What is interesting is when this is pointed out, even by a true BDSM Master/Mistress as I have witnessed, some can become angry or despondent.

There are true as well as superficial players at both ends, Sub and Master. Ultimately it is a game; and a drama. Enjoy the show; Danielle is a creative artist and an honest performer. Obviously we all wish her well regardless of personal preferences. I expect this segment to be an excellent addition to her prolific work and expanding personal growth.

Eurythmics Sweet Dreams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJE_Sc1Wags


Manson's version official vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm-1...eature=related

If you want to see an expert "rigger" in action, tune in to Hogtied or Device Bondage at Kink. Matt and Orlando define the word "professional" in the BDSM world. These men will bring punishment for the use of the words Sir and Master. They have no need for the gratification of the word "master".

[Melvin]

Originally Posted by danielle_ftv

I will be shooting my first ever BDSM shoot which will only be on this site on Saturday, August 27th. I would like your input on what you would like to see happen in the shoot. Give me details

08/27/11 @ 6:34pm west coast time Ok, I have to ask. Did you enjoy yourself?

[danielle_ftv]

I just finished my bdsm shoot (it took a lot longer than expected). I will write about it in my journal...probably tomorrow or so. Going to relax, eat some pizza, and watch a movie now.

[STAR]

Right on. Mel.

[STAR]

The stills are absolutely gorgeous! The range of emotions you show are captivating. Excellent costuming, poses, content and variety. It tells a believable, well-paced and sequenced story. The red-blue thematics against dark background combined with the props gives a sense of high drama. The lighting and photography are excellent. The series deserves accolades as a well organized stand-alone piece congruent with the 5-star quality I have come to expect from you. Congratulations! Well done!

[danielle_ftv]

Originally Posted by STAR

The stills are absolutely gorgeous! The range of emotions you show are captivating. Excellent costuming, poses, content and variety. It tells a believable, well-paced and sequenced story. The red-blue thematics against dark background combined with the props gives a sense of high drama. The lighting and photography are excellent. The series deserves accolades as a well organized stand-alone piece congruent with the 5-star quality I have come to expect from you. Congratulations! Well done!

Thank you so much. I really appreciate the compliments/comments.

[STAR]

My pleasure.

Kinky Cat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6a8T...eature=related