geolarson2
10-01-2008, 11:31 PM
I thought I'd start this thread as a place to discuss the "must have-must keep" updates, the "oh, what might have been" ones, and the "it could have gone better" ones.
Hard drive space is limited, so the question becomes, which updates are worthy of saving on your hard drive as well as saving to DVD (better have a backup, after all, because none of us knows when the motherboard's going to frizzle out) and which are worth saving to DVD but not necessarily keeping on the ol' HD. (Not that I'd just throw away any--after all, these women put at least some effort into their updates, and no one should just be tossed aside as irrelevant or a waste of space.)
With regard to the "Wowee!" updates, I think they can be discussed in individual model threads. With the "oh, if only we got a second shot" ones, perhaps in the "Who'd you like to see come back" thread might be the better place to discuss those. So we're left to the "A for effort, maybe; C, D or--say it ain't so--F" for the rest to go down here. Now, having said that, this could also be a place for folks to discuss what went right and what wrong with some updates. I'm sure that whomever I list could find champions elsewhere, so with the general rules applying let's talk about those shoots that seemed to miss the mark and why, not as a place to bash the gentlewomen.
I'll start with Brandi. She was pretty, yes, but as Rob said, she didn't quite look as she did in the photos she submitted. She was very shy, willing to only go so far in her update. I'm not sure if I feel good for her for trying, in spite of personal difficulties she apparently, or if I feel bad for her because it felt like she wanted to do more, but held herself back.
Next up, Sasha (2008). She was gorgeous, yes, but there was something too over-the-top for me with her, too "commercial" about her presence. By that I mean that it seemed to me like she was acting for the camera, not being herself during the shoot. In other words, this update seemed to me to be a lot more like one of those standard porn shoots we're all familiar with, and not what we've come to expect from FTV. One of the great strengths of FTV has been that Rob has this knack for putting the gentlewomen at ease, and while it seemed to me like Rob was trying here, he just simply wasn't successful. To me it looked like Sasha was performing to a stereotype rather than just being herself. Now having said that she did seem like a nice women and she certainly is beautiful, so if she & Rob were able to try it again, I'd love to see Sasha be Sasha.
And last for this note, Lenka. This is one of those contributed updates rather than one Rob himself produced. She's pretty, but she's also bland. We know what she looks like naked, but I didn't get a feel for who she is. One reason I chose to join FTV was, as I mentioned, Rob's ability to put the gentlewomen who model for him at ease, to let themselves as women shine through, not just as eye-candy but as human beings. This update is just eye-candy with no emotion, no passion. For me, its a shame because I feel like more of a pervert watching a video like this than I do watching someone do something more extreme when that someone else has spoken "to me" through the camera. In this update, the images seemed more important than the woman herself. In the updates Rob produces, its the woman who comes first, and the images he takes compliment her as a person. Personally, I would love to have seen how Rob would have treated Lenka. I suppose its a matter of perspective though--there are lots of sites that produce cheap images & videos that just feed the stereotype of porn, and there are others where its the artist's vision that drives a shoot. Here at Danielle FTV, FTVGirls, Lia 19 and Alison Angel, there's more of a collaboration between Rob and the gentlewomen--that's it, I think, a collaboration--that translates beautifully in the images & text we've come to appreciate, and, while the video is beautiful, and Lenka is a knock-out, that mutual effort is missing unfortunately.
So there you go, folks, let's see what you have to say--agree? Disagree? Wishes, hopes & dreams? I'm sure, though, that regardless of how we feel after watching each update we all respect and admire these gentlewomen because they are, at the very least, willing to give this a try. :)
Hard drive space is limited, so the question becomes, which updates are worthy of saving on your hard drive as well as saving to DVD (better have a backup, after all, because none of us knows when the motherboard's going to frizzle out) and which are worth saving to DVD but not necessarily keeping on the ol' HD. (Not that I'd just throw away any--after all, these women put at least some effort into their updates, and no one should just be tossed aside as irrelevant or a waste of space.)
With regard to the "Wowee!" updates, I think they can be discussed in individual model threads. With the "oh, if only we got a second shot" ones, perhaps in the "Who'd you like to see come back" thread might be the better place to discuss those. So we're left to the "A for effort, maybe; C, D or--say it ain't so--F" for the rest to go down here. Now, having said that, this could also be a place for folks to discuss what went right and what wrong with some updates. I'm sure that whomever I list could find champions elsewhere, so with the general rules applying let's talk about those shoots that seemed to miss the mark and why, not as a place to bash the gentlewomen.
I'll start with Brandi. She was pretty, yes, but as Rob said, she didn't quite look as she did in the photos she submitted. She was very shy, willing to only go so far in her update. I'm not sure if I feel good for her for trying, in spite of personal difficulties she apparently, or if I feel bad for her because it felt like she wanted to do more, but held herself back.
Next up, Sasha (2008). She was gorgeous, yes, but there was something too over-the-top for me with her, too "commercial" about her presence. By that I mean that it seemed to me like she was acting for the camera, not being herself during the shoot. In other words, this update seemed to me to be a lot more like one of those standard porn shoots we're all familiar with, and not what we've come to expect from FTV. One of the great strengths of FTV has been that Rob has this knack for putting the gentlewomen at ease, and while it seemed to me like Rob was trying here, he just simply wasn't successful. To me it looked like Sasha was performing to a stereotype rather than just being herself. Now having said that she did seem like a nice women and she certainly is beautiful, so if she & Rob were able to try it again, I'd love to see Sasha be Sasha.
And last for this note, Lenka. This is one of those contributed updates rather than one Rob himself produced. She's pretty, but she's also bland. We know what she looks like naked, but I didn't get a feel for who she is. One reason I chose to join FTV was, as I mentioned, Rob's ability to put the gentlewomen who model for him at ease, to let themselves as women shine through, not just as eye-candy but as human beings. This update is just eye-candy with no emotion, no passion. For me, its a shame because I feel like more of a pervert watching a video like this than I do watching someone do something more extreme when that someone else has spoken "to me" through the camera. In this update, the images seemed more important than the woman herself. In the updates Rob produces, its the woman who comes first, and the images he takes compliment her as a person. Personally, I would love to have seen how Rob would have treated Lenka. I suppose its a matter of perspective though--there are lots of sites that produce cheap images & videos that just feed the stereotype of porn, and there are others where its the artist's vision that drives a shoot. Here at Danielle FTV, FTVGirls, Lia 19 and Alison Angel, there's more of a collaboration between Rob and the gentlewomen--that's it, I think, a collaboration--that translates beautifully in the images & text we've come to appreciate, and, while the video is beautiful, and Lenka is a knock-out, that mutual effort is missing unfortunately.
So there you go, folks, let's see what you have to say--agree? Disagree? Wishes, hopes & dreams? I'm sure, though, that regardless of how we feel after watching each update we all respect and admire these gentlewomen because they are, at the very least, willing to give this a try. :)